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And upon her forehead was written a name, a mystery:

by myelaine in

rev.

verse 18 .

and the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.

City Fan

I'm not sure I understand your point, are you saying the WTS is right or wrong.

What does Rev 17:18 have to do with Christ's rule?

Thanks.

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Bush Announces "Peace and Security" (non-political thread only please)

by Confucious in

ok, in bush's speech last night, his theme was "peace and security" or "peace and saftey" which i believe was his actual words.

well, we know the jw retoric about "peace and security.

does anyone here have insite on what the the bible is talking about with "...when they are announceing peace and security that sudden destruction will be instantly upon them..." .

City Fan

Confucious,

Sorry this isn't my own work but a 'cut and paste' from the following article: http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/peacesecurity.htm

What Did the Apostle Mean?

Did Paul really predict that the nations, immediately before the end of the age, would proclaim a world peace? Did he say that this would be the ?final signal? heralding that ?sudden destruction? is imminent? (The Watchtower, May 15, 1987, page 19) The context, and especially the broader context, shows this conclusion to be totally wrong.

Bible commentators often point out that the apostle Paul in 1 Thess. 5:1-11 simply gives a summary of Jesus? own words about his coming as recorded at Matt. 24:36-44, Luke 17:26-30 and 21:34-36. Jesus had said that he would come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night. It would be as in the days of Noah, before the Flood, and as in the days of Lot, before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. People back then were occupied with their daily activities and didn?t suspect anything; ?they were eating and drinking, men were selling, they were planning, they were building.? In the middle of all this the destruction suddenly came upon them. Paul briefly sums up Jesus? words:

?Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well (from Jesus? own words) that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, ?Peace and safety,? destruction will come on them suddenly.? 1 Thessalonians 5.1-3 New International Version

A thief does not announce in advance the ?times and dates? of his coming. He does not ?signal? his coming in any way. He comes unexpectedly, surprisingly, when people feel safe and secure. It was because of this absence of any ?signs? or ?signals? that Jesus urged his disciples to ?keep awake? and ?ready? and ?sober?. (Matt. 24:42, 44; Luke 21:34, 36) Paul repeated these exhortations. (1 Thess. 5:6-8) To ?keep awake? would not mean to keep looking for any ?final signal?, but to ?keep our senses and have on the breastplate of faith and love and as a helmet the hope of salvation?. (1 Thess. 5:8) The one clothed in that armor would not be taken by surprise by the ?Lord?s day?. He would be ready, whenever it came.

The Watch Tower Society has changed the sense of Paul?s words to mean exactly the reverse. They have made the predicted absence of ?signs? and ?signals?, which Paul expressed with the words ?Peace and safety? (NW: ?Peace and security?) to the ?final signal? that world destruction is imminent!

?Peace, Peace; When There Is No Peace?

The Greek word used by Paul of ?peace? is ?eirene?. This word is used in the New Testament as an equivalent of the Hebrew word ?schalom?, which often occurs in the Old Testament. Schalom did not merely refer to ?peace? in the political sense, but also, and primarily, to God?s good will toward men, ?God?s peace?. Paul?s use of the expression ?Peace (eirene) and safety? is commonly supposed to be an allusion to Jeremiah?s words about the Jews of his time at Jer. 5:14 and 8:11 (ASV):

?They have healed also the hurt of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.?

There was no political peace at that time The Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar was involved in a campaign of conquests aimed at subduing the whole Middle East, and Judah, too, was threatened. But the people felt safe, imagining that they had God?s protection, His ?peace?. They expected ?no evil? to ?come upon? them. (Jer. 23:17) The destruction of Jerusalem and its temple in 587 B.C., therefore came as a shocking surprise.

This too indicates that Paul?s words about ?Peace and Safety? should not be understood as a political proclamation of world peace, interpreted as the ?final signal? of ?world destruction?.

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2370-2180 population increase from10? to 8,000

by badboy in

.

it said in one wt publication(studies inthe scriptures?

)that the human population increased from approxiatemly 10 people to 8,000 people in just 190 years.. is that feastible?

City Fan

Badboy,

I suppose it might be if you ignored infant mortality rates, and death from disease, famine, war and natural disasters.

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WHICH BIBLE BOOK has caused the most trouble in the world?

by Terry in

jw
friends

i'd vote for revelation since every nutcase who ever came down the pike has tackled it verse for verse and applied it to the time in which he was living.

ever notice that?

no matter what decade or century, people reading the bible always think that it applies to their time.

City Fan

Scholar,

You must be entertaining at parties!

Pretty blonde: "Hi, my name's Erica, what's yours?"

Scholar: "I'm Scholar, BA, MA, Studies in Religion. What do you think about the seventy years of Jeremiah?"

Pretty blonde: "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"

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WHICH BIBLE BOOK has caused the most trouble in the world?

by Terry in

jw
friends

i'd vote for revelation since every nutcase who ever came down the pike has tackled it verse for verse and applied it to the time in which he was living.

ever notice that?

no matter what decade or century, people reading the bible always think that it applies to their time.

City Fan

Terry,

I'd say the book of Daniel, for the exact same reasons you gave for Revelation!

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What's that 70's hit that sounds like elvis but it's not?

by avishai in

it's driving me nuts.

the guy sounds like elvis, but it's not, the song was a hit, i believe in the early 70's.

dammit!!

City Fan

When I posted that I then thought the chances of 70's glam rock group Mud being famous anywhere else but the UK would be extremely remote. I'll keep thinking!

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What's that 70's hit that sounds like elvis but it's not?

by avishai in

it's driving me nuts.

the guy sounds like elvis, but it's not, the song was a hit, i believe in the early 70's.

dammit!!

City Fan

Was it Mud??

Something like "It'll be lonely this Christmas"

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THE WEAKEST LINK---fatal flaws in Watchtower Chronology

by Terry in

watchtower chronology suffers from weak logical links.

after all, they start with an unproven premise and begin linking and linking and linking and suddenly they produce the rabbit out of the hat.

1914 is the rabbit .

City Fan

Scholar,

Talking about Farkel's thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/74549/1.ashx (587 BC for Total Dunderheads)

The last reply you gave to me was:

You have raised some interesting questions regarding the seventy years period and I will respond to these shortly

Well, you never did respond to me, but maybe by now you've had time to think of a reply to my comments?

And we're all still waiting for one piece of secular evidence for 607!!!!

CF.

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THE WEAKEST LINK---fatal flaws in Watchtower Chronology

by Terry in

watchtower chronology suffers from weak logical links.

after all, they start with an unproven premise and begin linking and linking and linking and suddenly they produce the rabbit out of the hat.

1914 is the rabbit .

City Fan

Terry,

And don't forget that although in point 5 the Seven Times means seven years of 360 days each, in point 8 the WTS uses 365.2422 days per year.

If the Gentile times began in 607 BC then why did Jesus say: "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near... and Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."

So why link the start to 607 BC when, according to Jesus' words above, it is more logical to start at 70 AD?

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10 things sports presenters wished they hadn't said.

by Pleasuredome in

ten things that sports presenters .

wished they hadn't said: .

1. weightlifting commentator at the women's olympic snatch and jerk event: "this is gregoriava from bulgaria.

City Fan

I always liked the famous cricket one, where England's Peter Willey was bowling to the West Indies' Michael Holding. The commentator said:

"The batsman's Holding, the bowler's Willey!" oooh errrr...